..or, if I don't recieve a bazillion flames for this, I'll be lucky.
Published on December 2, 2004 By Solnac In Politics
Decided to go back to punditing versus trying the futile attempt at 'can't we all just get along?' I will open by saying that most of you have the right to say what you can about whatever you like, even if I find it inflammatory. I have the right to delete anything I deem over the top or just an attempt to piss me off. So, now we've covered the whole 'you have the right to say anything, and I have the right to react,' onto the meat and bones of this article.

I find it vagely disturbing that Bush cabinet members are leaving at an even clip. Powell, Ridge, and Ashcroft all tendered their resignations within the last month, and I know that's not even the complete list. If someone could find the complete list and reply, that'd be great. Of course, the cabinet often changes after elections, so in and of itself, isn't worrisome. It's just so many high profile people, the ones who deal with the press on a regular basis are leaving...with one or two exceptions.

It seems that Rice is next to be Secretary of State and Rumsfield isn't going anywhere, which is disturbing considering both of them fell asleep at the switch, Rice possibly during 9/11 (yes, I have seen her testify before the commission, thank you and read the enclosed transcript, plus the Time article where she wasn't keen about going under oath before the commission), and Rumsfeld during the Abu Gharib scandal. (Which there's an international complaint being filed: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4057531.stm ) While you could argue that Rumsfeld isn't directly accountable for the shameful actions of our military, it is, at least his job to be informed, and it looks like he was....four months before the story broke,
and maybe more.

sources: (Rumsfeld)
http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=YDJIQHR4ZHHT0CRBAELCFFA?type=topNews&storyID=6970806
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=295553
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?040524fa_fact

(Rice)
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcript/
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,565974,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/911.commission/

(The simple search on Google, in case you're wondering of Rumsfeld +abuse +Abu Gharib, is about 4,130, in case you're curious. Rice +9/11 commission testimony on Google yields 92,800.)

The question remains: why the shake up? Why didn't Bush demand Rumsfeld's resignation as soon as the story broke? Why does it seem that the National Security advisor is getting a promotion after her recent shakedown?

I think Bush is trying to load his cabinet with people who'll support him and more importantly, shut up about the war. Colin Powell wasn't willing to invade Iraq, and he's been dumped after the Bush election. On the other hand, Rice has practically been vehement in her defense of this administration and the president. Ashcroft, while taking on the airs of a old term revivalist for the adminstrationl, only produced one part of testimony that I'm sure will be renewed, the questionable PATRIOT act, but his replacement seems to be more of the classfication of information and a continuation of bending of Geneva Convention rules. (source: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-11-10-gonzales-inside-usat_x.htm ). That disturbs me, to be honest, it makes you think of what the adminstration has to hide that has to be so classfied, and rejecting of simple rules on how to treat your enemies civilly during war seems to be an issue in this adminstration. Granted, I'm not crying tears at Ashcroft's leaving, and I don't think any liberal is. I applaud the political savvy of GW of nominating a Hispanic, and a African American woman, however. Democrats will have issues blocking that one without seeming like a bunch of racist Jim Crows.

You may have thought I've forgotten Ridge (the man's eminently forgettable), but I haven't. My problem with Ridge, if you can call it a problem, is that the man seemed not to do much during his new cabinet post during his term in it. He seems to have stopped with coordinating a color based system for terrorist attacks (orange=bad), and the man seems uncapable of being ruthless enough to make Congress pass 9/11 legislation behind the scenes. I think Bush will be looking for a pit bull for the post, not a poodle. I feel an undercurrent of omniousness going on, however with some of these choices. It makes me wonder if Bush has an exit plan for war anytime soon...

Feeling the doom coming on, the wolf dragon/AWM worried,

Sol

Comments
on Dec 02, 2004
FLAME!

But seriously, I dont see any melt down or Bush surrounding himself with Yes men/women. Just the normal attrition that occurs in a second term in office. We could compare it to Clinton and Reagan, and get similar results.

I will disagree with you on the 'asleep' at the switch, as the DOD was already investigating abu Ghraib 3 months before CBS broke the story. And if I am forced to beleive Rice or Clarke, I wilil chose Rice as she was not trying to grab headlines and sell books.

But that is just me, sitting here comfortably in my flame retardant suit!
on Dec 02, 2004
But seriously, I dont see any melt down or Bush surrounding himself with Yes men/women. Just the normal attrition that occurs in a second term in office. We could compare it to Clinton and Reagan, and get similar results.

I will disagree with you on the 'asleep' at the switch, as the DOD was already investigating abu Ghraib 3 months before CBS broke the story. And if I am forced to beleive Rice or Clarke, I wilil chose Rice as she was not trying to grab headlines and sell books.

But that is just me, sitting here comfortably in my flame retardant suit!


Thank you for your well thought out opinion. As I do try to respond to everyone who bothers to pay attention to me, I find it works better if to get me a in a good mood if you don't assault my post with an AK-47 (which you didn't). I believe, and to this day, that Abu Gharib should of been arrested use as a facility until all the evidence was in, and when the evidence came in, there should have been courtmartials starting from the top down. I believe it should be closed today, our president apologizing to the international community for flagrant violations of the Geneva accords, and possibly Rumsfeld fired for not acting sooner. Then, that's just me. As for the Rice or Clarke situtation, I would of been tempted to fire both and let God sort them out.
on Dec 02, 2004
I agree with Abu Ghraib, except firing Rumsfeld. As for the Clarke and Rice, I dont see firing anyone based on unsupported allegations. Clarke had his 15 minutes of fame, now he can go back to his egotistical ways (according to co-workers). He does come across as narcissistic.
on Dec 02, 2004
Just the normal attrition that occurs in a second term in office. We could compare it to Clinton and Reagan, and get similar results.


More than 50% turnover? I think not.
on Dec 02, 2004
More than 50% turnover? I think not.


How many of Clinton's initial cabinet where with him in 2000? Take a wild stab at it.

At that level of power, 50% is not unusual.
on Dec 02, 2004
For the record, only 3 of 14 Cabinet members under Clinton stayed the whole 8 years. 8 of them resigned at the start of his second term. 8 of 14 is >50%
on Dec 02, 2004
I see nothing out of the ordinary with this turnover. These jobs are brutal; I sure wouldn't want any of them.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Dec 02, 2004

Reply #7 By: Daiwa - 12/2/2004 1:53:36 PM
I see nothing out of the ordinary with this turnover. These jobs are brutal; I sure wouldn't want any of them.

Cheers,
Daiwa


Yeah you got that right. Your expected to be on call 24/7. If the president needs a specific piece of info that only you can give and he needs it @ 3AM well guess what, you get a phone call. And thats on top of taking all the crap that the agencies and other people heap on your head.
on Dec 02, 2004
Wow. When I started this thread, I wouldn't of thunk it'd generate this. Some of the nominees still make me twitchy, hence why this article came into being. One at a time:

Dr. Guy- If I was president and I had to assign blame to anyone, and I mean this earnestly, because my advisors and my cabinet seemed to be dealing with problems that went public as an embrassment to me, I'd fire just to save face. It wouldn't necessarly be anything personal, but accountability is accountabilty, and when it comes to the cabinet/NSA, "the buck stops here."
whoman- Well, Dr. Guy may have made an interesting point, but no one's ever made a squawk about it before.
drmiller- I'd make a lousy cabinet member. I sleep through almost anything. Plus I'd be tempted to tell them where to cram it after a while.
Daiwa- Ditto. They do, however, make more money than me.
on Dec 02, 2004
Dr. Guy- If I was president and I had to assign blame to anyone, and I mean this earnestly, because my advisors and my cabinet seemed to be dealing with problems that went public as an embrassment to me, I'd fire just to save face. It wouldn't necessarly be anything personal, but accountability is accountabilty, and when it comes to the cabinet/NSA, "the buck stops here."


I can see that point. But then, Bush sticks by friends and collegues and does not dump them. Even tho I do not like Clinton, his sticking by Janet Reno after Waco (a BIG blunder on her part) indicated the same kind of loyalty. I guess when you get to that high of a post, you dont dump the horse that got you there just because he tripped once or twice. I am sure Rimsfeld got a tongue lashing, but as he was 'taking care of it', Bush did not make him a scape goat. I admired Clinton for sticking by Reno for a bad decision (we all make them). As I do Bush.

If it were me? I am glad it is not. I honestly dont know what I would have done.