...or the reason Michael Moore is not the Democratic candidate
Published on December 1, 2004 By Solnac In Politics
I am a liberal Democrat. There's no two ways about it, and I'm as proud as any Republican to be who I am.

I had made an argument on the political forums that someone had made the assumption that all liberals were brainwashed. I got a reply that pretty much that was the case considering another forum user made to seem to represent us. (I did blast him back for his wrong view point by asking him if we were supposed to talk the Republican talk show hosts for standing for the party.) This is what's wrong with political debate today. I try not to assume, unless they start spouting similar sentiments, that not all Republicans act like Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, or the rest of the other inflammatory Republican pundits on TV/Radio. Because someone is representive of something doesn't mean they speak for everyone OR that they agree with everything that person has said or even that particular platform. It's kinda like saying that Rice has her pulse on what every black person thinks or feels in this country, because, well, she's black. While she'd understand the psyche of being African American more than I would (I being white), saying she's understanding of every ideal of what it is to be that race is a fallacy in the extreme.

People choose parties to identify (those of us who care deeply enough to do so) because it's closer to our ideal on how we see life to be. I seriously and sincerely believe that everyone should have a roof over their head, food to eat and medicine not to be sick. We're the wealthist industralized nation in the world. It's silly, in my opinion, that the world can't operate that way. However, they will always be someone who will tell me, nicely enough, that I'm full of crap. I'm a Democrat, but that doesn't mean everyone in the party agrees with that--but they do agree with enough of the similar platforms that I do to idenify themselves as such. I'm not that thrilled with abortion. I think it's overused and overrated as a right. While I don't think we should abolish all abortions, I think we should only use them in life threatening situtations or in extreme emotional situations. This deviates considerably with the mainstream liberal/Democrat point of view. I also believe that I won't see abortion reform any time soon, considering the hot potato issue that it is. There's an example.

The idea of debate or of posting ANYTHING that has your name or alias on it, no matter how rabid you might be about it, no matter how inflammatory is this: keep in mind people don't think what you do, even those that idenify themselves as the same party, and that blanket statements about every member of a party might earn you some ridicule when a member who exspouses it comes along to take you down a few pegs. 51% of this country voted for Bush; but 49% voted against him, for Kerry and Nader. We're a divided house, and we all don't believe the same things. So, we identify with what's closest and most familar...and that is why you will never see Michael Moore or Rush Limbaugh BE the candidates for the Democrat or the Republican parties.

the AWM/dragon wolf sadly,

Sol

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on Dec 02, 2004
Why I Dislike Rhetoric...

By: Solnac
Posted: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 on Observations From An Angry White Male
Message Board: Politics
I am a liberal Democrat. There's no two ways about it, and I'm as proud as any Republican to be who I am.

I had made an argument on the political forums that someone had made the assumption that all liberals were brainwashed. I got a reply that pretty much that was the case considering another forum user made to seem to represent us. (I did blast him back for his wrong view point by asking him if we were supposed to talk the Republican talk show hosts for standing for the party.) This is what's wrong with political debate today. I try not to assume, unless they start spouting similar sentiments, that not all Republicans act like Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, or the rest of the other Republican pundits on TV/Radio. Because someone is representive of something doesn't mean they speak for everyone OR that they agree with everything that person has said or even that particular platform. It's kinda like saying that Rice has her pulse on what every black person thinks or feels in this country, because, well, she's black. While she'd understand the psyche of being African American more than I would (I being white), saying she's understanding of every ideal of what it is to be that race is a fallacy in the extreme.


Please do not put Hannity in the same catagory as Rush. They are not even close in their rehtoric. Try Rush Limbaugh, Neal Bortz, Michael Savage and G Gordon Liddy. They fall a little closer together. Now do not assume that I don't know Sean leans to the "right". Far from it. But he's not as far gone as the other 4 I mentioned.
on Dec 02, 2004
Please do not put Hannity in the same catagory as Rush. They are not even close in their rehtoric. Try Rush Limbaugh, Neal Bortz, Michael Savage and G Gordon Liddy. They fall a little closer together. Now do not assume that I don't know Sean leans to the "right". Far from it. But he's not as far gone as the other 4 I mentioned.


Fair enough. The reason I mention Coulter is I dislike the majority of the rhetoric she seems to spew. "Liberals are traitors..." I think that was the title of one of her books. This doesn't help bridge the gap between conservative and liberal at all. I have made corrections to the original material to reflect this. Personally, as a liberal, the man who used the words "house n---er" (no, seriously, I can't bring myself to type it) to describe Rice and Powell should be ashamed of himself for sending America as a whole back forty or fifty years.
on Dec 02, 2004

Reply #2 By: Solnac - 12/2/2004 9:01:53 AM
Please do not put Hannity in the same catagory as Rush. They are not even close in their rehtoric. Try Rush Limbaugh, Neal Bortz, Michael Savage and G Gordon Liddy. They fall a little closer together. Now do not assume that I don't know Sean leans to the "right". Far from it. But he's not as far gone as the other 4 I mentioned.


Fair enough. The reason I mention Coulter is I dislike the majority of the rhetoric she seems to spew. "Liberals are traitors..." I think that was the title of one of her books. This doesn't help bridge the gap between conservative and liberal at all. I have made corrections to the original material to reflect this. Personally, as a liberal, the man who used the words "house n---er" (no, seriously, I can't bring myself to type it) to describe Rice and Powell should be ashamed of himself for sending America as a whole back forty or fifty


Coulter while very pretty does have a tendency to take it over the top. I couldn't bring myself to type those words either. I believe your refering to Ted Rall?
on Dec 02, 2004
Coulter while very pretty does have a tendency to take it over the top. I couldn't bring myself to type those words either. I believe your refering to Ted Rall?


Yeah, while as a liberal I can like Rall, usually, that was shameless and over the top and inexcusable. I don't think I'll read him anymore. There's a huge amount of difference between using humor and cynicism to make your point and being downright inflammatory, crude and degrading. While I'm trying to walk the tightrope personally, I draw the line at using racial slurs. It also doesn't make you sound educated or cool, either.