Sometimes, Saying What's On Your Mind Isn't The Point.
Published on January 16, 2005 By Solnac In Politics
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I quite don't know what to say here. To be honest, I am glad Bush admitted some kind of fallacy to his presidency after we've been somewhat worried that he's a little too full of bravado for the job, and yet I am filled with the biting liberal response, which goes something like this: 'too little, too late'. It's too late to really apologize for any damage saying 'I want him dead or alive' might have caused, or for the insurgents to 'bring it on'. (Do you think the president's been watching too many highschool cheerleading comedies? Nah...) However, I sincerely doubt the infamous Bush sound bites are what got us into trouble completely, although they might have spread it along. Sound bites, as amusing as they are, ("Read my lips," "I did not have sex with that woman," "I am not a crook," "There's some rumors on the internets,") are not the be all and end of all what happens in this country, policy is.

However, it is a liability, although I won't say a crippling one, to have a president that tends to verbalize himself in an unsuitable manner, or does not, at the very least think or rehearse his comments through as he says them. It makes him seem...brash. And you wonder if his policy comes in a brash manner as well.

Perhaps, in a way, I should illustrate my point before all the right wingers tell me I'm so far off base, it's not funny and I'm a horrible person to even point out flaws in our president. I have a friend who is in the Marines. Great guy, I met him through my roleplaying group that we hold that meets every week. (Please spare me the D&D jokes, and the moralistic attitude that roleplaying is wrong, btw. I wager that I've heard most of it already and we weren't playing D&D.) He has a friend also in the Corps, and they were both home around Christmas, so my friend invites his friends (including the Marine that came home around the same time he did) to play with part of our group in a rp setting. And frankly, it wasn't a bad night, my Marine friend is a great game master, and I could tell he was in his element again. However, his friend that came back from the Marines with him started cracking anti-Army comments without even really thinking. (I'd use the word 'jokes', but it was too rude for that.) The two people from my group that had come were offended after a while, considering one of them was ex-Army after a medical situation that rendered him unable to serve...and the other was the husband of a soldier in Iraq. Now, he did stop after they told him to drop it (which was good, because if they didn't say something I was tempted to) and he did, but not before trying the Navy on for size. (The soldier's wife wasn't amused. Two of her best friends are sailors. He was asked to shut up again.)

Now, I realize roleplaying is akin to playacting, but the friend of my friend who was home and enjoying his gamemastering was...well, let's just say his character was much like him in some way, overtly violent and direct to the point of being insulting. In a one off game an unsubtle character who doesn't think things through isn't that much of liabilty (although he did almost kill a friend's character with his need to fight everyone), but had that game progressed beyond that night and it continued, it might have been more trouble that it was worth.

What was the point of the story, you may ask? First off, spending one night with one person who seems to like to talk without considering any conquences to his words at all (I am, in RL, a very non aggressive person. He mentioned being thrilled to go to Iraq to get a chance to try out his knife on Iraqi ((yes, I know, it's insurgents and they're the enemy, but it's a little unsettling.))) left us with a negative perception of the guy. Secondly, and it may be miltaristic training, but you wonder if his need for violence means he's willing to take it out on others, which I also admit is perception. Perception in many ways forms the reality for human beings. That guy may have been a nice guy outside of the game, but I was left with a negative perception of him and frankly an undesirable one. While I might admit I need to give him a second chance and will probably do so, it'll be a wary thing at best.

When someone who reperesents this country sends out the perception of aggressiveness or recklessness or a brash unthinking manner, it tends to form perceptions for other people who see this person in action. While strength is a good thing to show off, strength to the point of arrogance is a good way to tarnish our credability. And whilst actions speak louder than words, words can also be used to explain actions, whether they're meant in that way or not.

So, I'm glad President Bush admitted to his fault and I hope he decides to be thoughtful always in word in deed. And while he admits he's done harm by his wonders, one can only wonder exactly how much has he done.

Admitting That He's Not Perfect Either, The AWM/wolf dragon,

Sol



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on Jan 17, 2005
Reply #3 By: drmiler - 1/16/2005 9:09:33 PM

Reply #2 By: cactoblasta - 1/16/2005 10:01:46 AM But everyone else just shrugs him off as a typical American - loud, violent, whiny and a sore loser.


Maybe you could explain to me just *how* he's a *sore looser*!


I am pretty sure caCTO was refering to the democratic party and to hanoijohn kerry drmiler.... we have to give him a break after all cacto is you know pst an aussie. lmao

j/k cacto now do not get yer knickers inna bunch
on Jan 17, 2005
Reply #7 By: sandy2 - 1/16/2005 11:21:59 PM
Not to me. I *voted* for him.


You like being viewed as loud, violent, whiny and a sore loser


there ya GO diagree with a lefty get attacked...
on Jan 17, 2005
Bush has zero credibility from anyone, or any country, except the hardline jingoists in the USA.


Never mind the 53% of the American electorate that voted for him. It's like you guys are sitting in this room having a conversation with yourselves, trying your damnedest to not notice the elephant in the corner (pardon the coincidence). And statements like that are just one of the reasons I hold out little hope for Dems having any real success any time soon.

Finally, something I can argue with dabe about. I was beginning to wonder.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Jan 18, 2005

Reply #15 By: Solnac - 1/17/2005 5:20:33 PM
Then please stop talking about me like I'm not around, you pathetic excuse for a female human being.


Dr. Miler, do your self and the rest of us a favor: cease the personal attacks, because I don't really need a reason to blacklist you: I'd enjoy it. I find you cantankerous and a thorn in my side. The only reason I've not is for any reason of 'fairness' on this blog for your extreme views. I personally do not care if you even insult liberals as a whole, but the personal attacks gotta stop. You're trolling and that's no fun for anyone. Rant off.


Personally you can do whatever you wish! You are basing all of this on one post! Start going back and look at other posts where she has made personal attacks on me and then talk to me about it if you truly want to be fair.
on Jan 18, 2005
Personally you can do whatever you wish! You are basing all of this on one post! Start going back and look at other posts where she has made personal attacks on me and then talk to me about it if you truly want to be fair.


I'm basing this on your tendency to be rather crass because you feel like it, but fair enough, I will let this stand as everyone's one reminder/warning: if you personally attack someone ON THIS BLOG (I have NO other power elsewhere, and if you complain to me here how someone was mean to you there, I'll laugh at you as I'm not going to blacklist users on my blog for whatever they say on anothers if the author of that blog will tolerate it), expect me to do the same to you or give you the warning...the first time. The second time, I'll probably delete your post and blacklist you.

This sounds hypocritical considering my usual defense of you saying whatever you want. HOWEVER, when personal attacks are undertaken here, it kills any and all debate that might be going on as users try to beat the verbal crap out of each other. Saying 'liberals are loony' is even more productive, at the very least, there will be a modicrum of some defense, and not everyone has left/right leanings all the time on every issue. When you attack another user, however, that kills conversation that may go on, it boils down to the wittest retort and those of you with thinner skins get offended. Then I've got a bunch of whiny comments on my blog.

In the spirit of being a fair moderator, however, sandy2, you were a little out of line with this comment:

You like being viewed as loud, violent, whiny and a sore loser


although he did admit that it did partially describe him. I'm not sure what to do in that case. Give you a third of a warning?

Let it be known, however, I am not unfair. If you can link me to a point of evidence on THIS blog where she personally insulted YOU and not your frame of reference...(that being part of your opinions, she's fair to disagree with that, although it doesn't win class points in the debate rhetoric section) then I will issue a warning posthaste.


on Jan 19, 2005
It is a relief to hear that there are still those that realize that Bush is human too. I am extremely conservative and don't mind listening to other oppinions, but I do have a problem when those "oppinions" are more of a way to rip on my oppinions. I appreciate your open minded blog and eagerly await your next
on Jan 19, 2005
Your post reminds me of the commercial where the man in the car ordering a sonic "wrap" pronounces it "wah-rap" and then the companion says "its wrap... the w is silent" and the other guy goes but why would the w be silent and the other guy says "like wrench" and the first guy says "wah-rench?" and the second guy says "you've been saying wah-rench?" and the first guy says "yeah, I think you've been saying it wah-rong"... sorry if thats confusing. I just wanted to let you know though tim, the word is opinions. Please don't take this with offense, I just don't want you going through life spelling it wrong. Sorry if this comment is considered out of line, because it is not intended that way, though I see how it could be misconstrued.

Solnac, I was just asking docmiller if he enjoyed being viewed (as an american) as loud,violent, whiny and a sore loser, as I was saying Bush makes all americans be viewed. I am sorry if it offended anyone.
on Jan 19, 2005
Solnac, I was just asking docmiller if he enjoyed being viewed (as an american) as loud,violent, whiny and a sore loser, as I was saying Bush makes all americans be viewed.


That's not quite fair. Most people I've spoken to thought Americans were like that well before Bush was elected. It's just that American presidents usually had the decency to pretend otherwise. Bush hasn't changed anyone's opinions, he's merely amplified them. That's the biggest problem/opportunity he poses.
on Jan 19, 2005
Well... ok thats what I meant... he expands and gives credence to the belief.
on Jan 19, 2005
Two things jump out at me reading this blog and the subsequent comments. The first is the damage that can be caused by an off-hand, casually tossed out remark from someone in power. As the former of a sports team, the Texas Rangers baseball team, President Bush should have known that you never say something that will end up on the lockers of an opposing team, that you never provide motivation to the opposition. I have winced at some of the remarks President Bush has made.

But the second, perhaps more striking thing that jumps out at me is that anti-American attitude. I have a hard time believing that the anti-Americanism has sprung up over the past four years.
most Australians consider Americans loud, violent sore losers,
There are over two hundred and fifty million Americans. We all fit that pattern? No deviations? You see one American, you've seen them all?

I understand that it is a generalization. But if you offered such a sweeping generalization about another group, say a race, would it not be considered prejudice? Is anti-Americanism different from saying that all blacks are lazy, all Jews avaricous? What a simple world it would be if you could know everything that there is to know about a group just by watching one member of that group on TV. "Hey, I know all about Australians, I watched the old Paul Hogan show!"

Such attitudes reflect a world view that doesn't seek understanding or conciliation, only confirmation of what you want to believe. It is easier, less complex and requiring less thought if you can pidgeon-hole entire groups. You eliminate those inconvenient shades of gray. Never mind that President Bush recently donated his own money to Tsumani relief or that the US fleet set sail to help the survivors. (And yes, I know that Australia has donated deeply to help the victims, at one point leading the world in donations.) Never mind that when an earthquake devastated part of Iran, America was the first to send aid to that country.

It is easy to stereotype, harder to deal with the subtleties of life. In countless movies, Germans of the World War II era are all shown as Nazis. But during World War II, many Germans gave aid to the Jews. Elisabeth Abegg, for example, was a member of the German Quakers. She personally saved dozens of Jews, at risk to her own life. She is celebrated at the Simon Weisenthal Museum of Tolerance here: http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/pages/t000/t00013.html

Do not judge all Americans by the remarks of one man. Judge us instead by our deeds as a nation. Remember the good we do as well as the harm. Weigh these fairly and see where the balance lies.

on Jan 20, 2005
Solnac, I was just asking docmiller if he enjoyed being viewed (as an american) as loud,violent, whiny and a sore loser, as I was saying Bush makes all americans be viewed. I am sorry if it offended anyone


It's fine, sandy, I just feel like I play referee way too often. *sigh, chuckle* oh, the day I branched out into a political blog was probably the stupidiest thing I've ever done!

It is a relief to hear that there are still those that realize that Bush is human too. I am extremely conservative and don't mind listening to other oppinions, but I do have a problem when those "oppinions" are more of a way to rip on my oppinions. I appreciate your open minded blog and eagerly await your next


Pleasure seeing you here. I'll try to keep the conservative bashing to a minimum, and yes, I realize the President is human...but I also realize at the same concordiat time that I disagree with the man politically (being liberal) and that I, frankly, don't have to like him or vote for him. I'm glad you're enjoying it.

Larry--that's a long comment and there's a lot there that jumps out at me, but politics is even more picky then baseball. That's why sometimes, when the president cannot pronounce words correctly and says things like "Bring It On," to some of us, it's like watching a car crash. You know the media's going to spin that to the affliate outlets and then you've got a perception mess.

I believe there are a large number of people who are still fond of Americans, BUT find our president a little less to their liking, and the projection sometimes sticks. Sad, but true.
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